William I

HENRY VIII Claim

to

The Throne of England?

           

             HOUSE OF PLANTAGENET ???

LINEAGE LINE 1?

JOHN OF GAUNT-1st Duke of Lancaster  3rd son of Edward III of England( Member of The House of Plantagenet). John was the only surviving son to reach adulthood. He was called Gaunt because he was born in Ghent, Belgium . Gaunt is the English rendering of  Ghent.

.During his lifetime rumours circulated that he was actually the son of a Ghent butcher, perhaps because Edward III was not present at the birth and because he was not born in England, as a prince would be.

 This story always drove him to fury.

HENRY VII & Elizabeth York

-LINEAGE 2

THE HOUSE OF TUDOR's Dubious Origins

Owen Tudor who was a Welsh courtier

( his father was a soldier & nobleman ) Tudor family of Penmynydd in North Wales.

And the second husband of Queen Consort Catherine of Valois , Henry V's widow.

( whom had a son by Henri VII of England)

Owen Tudor's son ,Edmund Tudor was created the 1st Earl of Richmond, being the half brother of Henry VII.

EDMOND TUDOR, along with his brother and father were taken into Henry's royal household. Henry was seemingly fond of his half brothers, and ennobled each of them with Edmund becoming Earl of Richmond on 15 December 1449 and Jasper, Earl of Pembroke on 23 November 1452.

As Earls, and recognised by court as the King's half brothers, Edmund and Jasper had unparalleled precedence over the other laypersons in court with the exception of the Dukes. They were each given lands.

After the death of Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester, the royal line was at risk and considerations were made about the Tudor brothers inheriting the throne. There were concerns that while they had descended from the French royal line through Catherine, they had no blood relation to the English throne.

Both Edmund and Jasper were among a small group of personal advisers to the King by 1452, representing the only blood relations in court.

 After a petition by the House of Commons of England, both Jasper and Edmund were recognised officially as legitimate half-brothers of the King and removed the statutory disabilities attributed with being considered Welsh. Throughout 1452 and 1453, they were given large monetary grants from the King, while Edmund was also given property in Westmorland and Lancashire. Edmund ran a profitable estate and invested in the wool industry based out of Boston, Lincolnshire. The King also granted him the medieval palace of Baynard's Castle, near to the Thames river in London.

Edmund was given the wardship of the nine-year-old Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond and Derby, daughter of John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset on 24 March 1453. She was the only heir of Beaufort and a kinswoman of the King. She had descended from the House of Lancaster through the eldest of John of Gaunt's bastard sons, John Beaufort.She had been previously married to John de la Pole, whose father, William de la Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk had intended to seek the claim to the throne of her and any children should Henry fail to produce any heirs.William was murdered in 1450, and the marriage between Margaret and John was annulled in the first months of 1453 to enable her to be remarried to Edmund. It was this marriage on 1 November 1455 at Bletsoe Castle which enabled any offspring to lay claim to the English throne due to the inheritance of the Plantagenet blood through Margaret.

This accumulated in the War of The Roses thus,

A crisis emerged during the summer of 1453, as Henry fell ill lasting over 17 months, leaving him incommunicado and needing to be carried from place to place. Several parties sought to take power during this period, including Richard of York. Henry's wife, Margaret of Anjou, demanded to be declared Regent for the King, causing a division between her and the Tudor brothers. The War of The Roses ensued. 

Henry VII was the last king of England to win his throne on the field of battle.

His successor was Arthur TUDOR  Prince of Wales, son of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York.But after he died in a hunting accident his brother , the next oldest male Arthurs brother, Henry VIII was made Prince of Wales and eventually KIng of England. ( Elizabeth York daughter of Edward IV who was the SO CALLED  'SON' of Richard Plantagenet)

 If this  is an ILLEGITIMATE  son with Elizabeth of York, daughter of Edward IV- (Documental evidence has come to light ( c2012) that Edward IV father was NOT his mother's husband Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, but an unnamed archer.)

This would make The Tudors have NO CLAIM on Plantagenet blood lines!

( NB: Our current Queen does have other lines to The Plantagenet's and The Scottish Kings.)

This is important because

ONLY through EMPRESS MATILDA, whom Richard Plantagenet descends, can be of the Royal Ancient English and Ancient Scottish bloodlines.

EMPRESS MATILDA,was The Holy Roman Empress, her lineage goes back to the first Kings of England & Alfred The Great, The first King of The English and the first kings of Scotland, Malcolm III King of The Scots & King Duncan of Scotland & King of Alba. She married Geoffrey Plantagenet, Duche of The Normans and she bore him HENRY Plantagenet soon to be King HENRY II of England & France II.  

( see page Henry II Lineage)

 

Catherine Pegge
Barbara Palmer, Duchess of Cleveland & Countess of Castlemaine, with her son Charles Fitzroy. One of Charles II mistresses.

Royal Bastards

And My Ancestors

Here I have compiled a list of

Royal Bastards.

The illegitimate children of English Kings since William I to George IV (The Prince Regent.)

If you feel you have a claim to a Royal Bastard, feel free to contact me, so we can form a special list of their descendants.

This list is by all means, not complete and I shall add to it, once I have discovered more Royal Bastards.

Click on their names in red for more info on them

The Illegitimate children of English Kings

 

William I William The Conqueror, 'William The Bastard'

 

William The Conqueror was the illegitimate son of 'Robert The Devil' or the Magnificent, Duke of Normandy and his mistress Herleve, (sometimes called Arlette) the daughter of Fullbert, a tanner of Falaise

 

King Stephen

His son

Gervais of Blois-Abbot of Westminster

 

Henry I

Henry I had 21 to 25 bastards, including

Robert Fitzroy 

'De Caen'

1st Earl of Gloucester,My Ancestor

Maud FitzRoy(wife of Conan III, Duke of Brittany),

Constance FitzRoy,

Mabel FitzRoy,

Alice FitzRoy

Gilbert FitzRoy,
 

Henry II

He had 2 illegitimate sons,

Geoffrey, Archbishop of York (1152 - 1212) -a woman named Ykenai. He is rumored to be the son of Rosamund Clifford as well

William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury (1176 - 1226) Mother:Ida de Tosny Countess of Norfolk-My Ancestor

 

 

Henry VIII

 

Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset(15 June 1519 – 23 July 1536),

was the son of Henry VIII and his mistress, Elizabeth Blount, and the only illegitimate off spring acknowledged by him.

As he had many mistresses, six other people are also put forward by historians as possibly being Henry's illegitimate children, including

the mercenary Thomas Stukley,

the poet Richard Edwardes

and two of Mary Boleyn's children, possibly:

Catherine Carey (Knollys), Lady Knollys
Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon

 

 

James II

Catherine Darnley (1681 - 1743) Mother :Catherine Sedley

 

James FitzJames (1670 - 1734) Mother:Arabella Churchill.

 

 

King William IV

 

Mother: Dorothea Jordan

 

Frederick FitzClarence (1799-1854)

Sophia FitzClarence (1796-1837)

George FitzClarence ( 1794-1842

Elizabeth FitzClarence ( 1801-1856 )

Adolphus FitzClarence (1802 – 1856)

 

 

Charles II

Charles II fathered at least 20 illegitimate children, of which he acknowledged 14.

 

His attitude:

 

'When Nell Gwyn brought her first child to Charles, she told it,

'Come hither you little Bastard and speak to your father!'.

"Nay, Nellie, do not call the child such a name," said the king.

"Your majesty has given me no other name by which I may call him."

Charles then named the child "Beauclerk" and bestowed the title "Earl of Burford." '

The Illegitimate children

of Charles II

By Lucy Walter (c.1630–1658)

James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth (1649–1685).

Ancestor of Sarah, Duchess of York.


 

By Elizabeth Boyle, Viscountess Shannon (1622–1680)

Charlotte FitzRoy, Countess of Yarmouth(1650–1684),


 

By Catherine Pegge

Charles FitzCharles, 1st Earl of Plymouth(1657–1680), known as "Don Carlo", created Earl of Plymouth (1675)

Catherine FitzCharles (born 1658; she either died young or became a nun at Dunkirk)


 

By Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland(1641–1709)

Anne Lennard, Countess of Sussex(1661–1722). She may have been the daughter of Roger Palmer, but Charles accepted her.

Charles FitzRoy, 2nd Duke of Cleveland(1662–1730).

Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Grafton(1663–1690). The 7-greats-grandfather of Diana, Princess of Wales

Charlotte Lee, Countess of Lichfield(1664–1717).

George FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Northumberland(1665–1716).

Lady Barbara FitzRoy(1672–1737). She was probably the child of the Duke of Marlborough.She was never acknowledged by Charles.

 

By Nell Gwyn(1650–1687)

Charles Beauclerk, 1st Duke of St Albans(1670–1726)

James, Lord Beauclerk (1671–1680)


 

By Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth(1649–1734)

Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond and Lennox(1672–1723).

Ancestor of Diana, Princess of Wales;Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall; and Sarah, Duchess of York.


By Moll Davis, courtesan and actress of repute

Lady Mary Tudor(1673–1726)

George III

There is a story about a previous Quaker marriage to a Hanna Lightfoot and children born to the couple.  Including a son named GEORGE REX who became George Rex of Knysa, South Africa. He has descendants there and in Australia and New Zealand. 

This 'line'of course would not be illegitimate line, ( to The Quakers)but it was consider so by the royals of the day and is also not recognised today; disclaimers claiming they have disproved it. Or covered it up maybe?

George Rex'es decendants are still trying to making their claims today-Craig Rex has enlisted help from DNA reasearch.

George IV

( The Prince Regent & Later King)

Rumoured to have several illegitimate children by various women.

Yet none noted for posterity yet!

William Longespee Earl of Salisbury

William Longespee was the issue from Henry II and his mistress Countess de  Tosny, making him illegitimate.

But did you know that Henry II wife

Elenor of Aqutaine divorced her first husband The King of France to marry Henry II. Therefore one could say,

by The Roman Church, which ruled in such matters of the day, would consider ALL of Henry II children illegitimate!

 First 'known'mistress of Henry VIII. 'Bessie Blount'' was mother of his FIRST BORN son, who was illegitimate Henry Fitzroy

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James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth, 1st Duke of Buccleuch
and eldest son of Charles II and illegitimate, his mother was Lucy Walter, a Welsh beauty
Lucy Walter – Charles II’s Welsh Beauty & mother of his eldest illegitimate son James Scott
( Fitzroy)
Nell Gwyn, bore Charles II 2 sons, she was an actress.
Her father died in debtor's prison
and her mother kept a Bawdy-House in Covent Garden,
but the king  adored her